# Does van Eck phreaking really work, or is it an urban myth?

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Van Eck phreaking, the ability to reconstruct distally the text on a CRT or LCD screen using the leaking em from the target computer, was in the news about five to ten years ago. It is talked about as if it is easily done, but I see little hard confirmation. The NSA has something called project TEMPEST to study this, but I think most of it is classified. Does anyone know how good van Eck phreaking is, or is it mostly hot air?

This question also leads to attempts by neuroscientists to read brain states to control movement etc (ie flying a plane by thought, using brainwave em to control machines (paraplegics etc)...some progress has been made.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Gordon
You should watch "Chuck" for all your espionage related needs!

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user user346
Wikipedia article you linked says it is true, even for LCDs...

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user mbq
@mbq: Yes, they say that, but where is the support and if it is, why has there been so little publicity in the past five years or so?

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Gordon
I note the close vote is for "not related to physics". I encourage people to open their minds somewhat--this has applications to important biophysics applications. Sometimes I think that there should be a choice "I just don't like the question or who is asking it". It would be more honest.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Gordon
@Gordon You might have formulated it as physical foundation of van Eck phreaking or something like this, but I agree it is a valid question. Yet, the neuroscience one should be a new question to avoid clutter.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user mbq
I remember seeing an IBM catalog back in the '80's that actually listed TEMPEST versions of the PC-XT w/monochrome monitor. I recall the weight for it was insane. Probably packed full of lead. :-) Anyways, apparently IBM thought it was true as they had a special model with shielding...

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Brian Knoblauch

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I spent many years working in the video graphics design industry. One of our problems is the opposite problem, that is, we have limits on how much electromagnetic radiation our products can produce. Before we can ship any new design, we have to test it to make sure it meets the limits. (The tests are done on samples, not on every item shipped.)

The limits have to be low enough that the equipment doesn't cause interference for radio and TV. You would think that would eliminate the problem, but in fact, all equipment puts out some unwanted radiation. So I have no doubt at all that the radiation is there to be analyzed.

Display systems have a clock that moves the data. On some modern systems the clock is "spread spectrum" but it should be possible to figure out the spread algorithm. It's not like they design these things to be impervious to decryption, instead the purpose with spread spectrum is to spread the noise produced by your equipment over a wider frequency range. This lowers the spikes in your noise spectrum and keeps them under the limits. In other words it allows you to radiate more while still staying in compliance with government limits. See the wikipedia article:

If someone wanted me to do this, I would try to design an antenna that (a) Is very very directional. That way you can point it at the device you want to receive from. (b) I would work hard on understanding the interfering signals and subtract them from the signal, either digitally or in analog. (c) Understand the spread spectrum of the target device and design a system to cancel it out. And just typing this, I've already got some ideas that I'm sure would work.

The more general problem, where you don't know what make of equipment you're trying to receive from, is going to be a lot tougher, but it should be doable by the guys in black.

So I have no doubt at all that, given a paycheck and some time, I could extract those pictures.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Carl Brannen
answered Feb 10, 2011 by (240 points)
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My general reaction is to be pretty skeptical. Essentially, you are trying to take an imperfect signal (signal plus noise), and trying to reconstruct the original perfect signal. Thats sounds like an inverse operator. Inverse operators often have high condition numbers, i.e. they amplify the effects of signal noise. If the resultant noise is too large, the output signal will be seriously corrupted. So my guess, is it might work in some idealized cases, but for most realworld applications system noise effectively destroys information.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Omega Centauri
answered Feb 11, 2011 by (10 points)
You underestimate the ability of the human eye/brain to reconstruct damaged lettersand similar forms. This ability is fantastic.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-14 21:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Georg

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