Why does dilation invariance often imply proper conformal invariance?

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Why does a quantum field theory invariant under dilations almost always also have to be invariant under proper conformal transformations? To show your favorite dilatation invariant theory is also invariant under proper conformal transformations is seldom straightforward. Integration by parts, introducing Weyl connections and so on and so forth are needed, but yet at the end of the day, it can almost always be done. Why is that?

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user user2389
You can look for Polchinski's paper "Scale and Conformal Invariance in QFT" which discusses the issue in detail. Maybe there have been some developments since then, but that is a good starting point.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user user566
For 4d field theory it's still an open question whether scale invariance implies conformal invariance. There's been some recent work on this topic by Slava Rychkov and collaborators, see e.g. 1101.5385.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user Matt Reece
By the way, given that scale invariance does not imply conformal invariance, maybe the question can be rephrased.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user user566
I'd like to point to a review by Yu Nakayama, available at arxiv.org/abs/1302.0884

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user Siva

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As commented in previous answers, conformal invariance implies scale invariance but the converse is not true in general. In fact, you can have a look at Scale Vs. Conformal Invariance in the AdS/CFT Correspondence. In that paper, authors explicitly construct two non trivial field theories which are scale invariant but not conformally invariant. They proceed by placing some conformal field theories in flat space onto curved backgrounds by means of the AdS/CFT correspondence.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user xavimol
answered Mar 9, 2011 by (60 points)
Thanks for that, somehow I missed this one, it is really interesting.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user user566

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user xavimol
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The rule-of-thumb is that 'conformal ⇒ scale', but the converse is not necessarily true (some condition(s) needs to be satisfied) — but, of course, this varies with the dimensionality of the problem you're dealing.

PS: Polchinski's article: Scale and conformal invariance in quantum field theory.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user Daniel
answered Mar 7, 2011 by (685 points)
It's not a rule-of-thumb that conformal implies scale, it's just a fact. The conditions are mostly locality and low-order of derivatives, which is sometimes imposed by unitarity and renormalizability.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user Ron Maimon
@RonMaimon: Conformal invariance requires scale invariance in a Poincare invariant theory simply because of the commutator $[K_\mu,P_\nu]=2i(\eta_{\mu\nu}D-M_{\mu\nu})$. The notation should be obvious.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user AndyS
@AndyS: The very existence of D in the conformal group is enough to show conformal implies scale--- it's not a rule of thumb, it's an obvious implication, that's what the comment above was trying to say. You don't need the commutator business to show this, the dilatation is a conformal transformation all by itself.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user Ron Maimon
@RonMaimon: What you're saying is not true; you need the commutator in order to prove what you call "an obvious implication". Also, there is a clear distinction between dilatations and special conformal transformations.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user AndyS
@AndyS: What I am saying is true, and you are saying nonsense. Dilatations are to conformal invariance as rotations about the z-axis are to rotations. They are a special case. If you have rotational invariance, you have rotational invariance around the z-axis. If you have conformal invariance, you have dilatation invariance. This is not an arguable point, it is not a difficult point, and I don't know why you make the comment above.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user Ron Maimon
@RonMaimon: The question I'm answering is: "Why is a theory that is invariant under special conformal transformations automatically invariant under dilatations too?" This is very different from the moronic question: "Why is a conformal theory invariant under dilatations?".

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user AndyS
@AndyS: I see. Then I agree. But to me this seems backwards, since conformal symmetry is local dilatation symmetry, so dilatation invariance is a more primitive idea, and is assumed in advance before you show conformal invariance. But this is just a point of view.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user Ron Maimon
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Maybe this does it:
$\begin{array}{rccl} \textrm{Translation:}&P_\mu&=&-i\partial_\mu\\ \textrm{Rotation:}&M_{\mu\nu}&=&i(x_\mu\partial_\nu-x_\nu\partial_\mu)\\ \textrm{Dilation:}&D&=&ix^\mu\partial^\mu\\ \textrm{Special Conformal:}&C_\mu&=&-i(\vec{x}\cdot\vec{x}-2x_\mu\vec{x}\cdot\partial) \end{array}$

Then the commutation relation gives:
$[D,C_\mu] = -iC_\mu$
so $C^\mu$ acts as raising and lowering operators for the eigenvectors of the dilation operator $D$. That is, suppose:
$D|d\rangle = d|d\rangle$
By the commutation relation:
$DC_\mu - C_\mu D = -iC_\mu$
so
$DC_\mu|d\rangle = (C_\mu D -iC_\mu)|d\rangle$
and
$D(C_\mu|d\rangle) = (d-i)(C_\mu|d\rangle)$

But given the dilational eigenvectors, it's possible to define the raising and lowering operators from them alone. And so that defines the $C_\mu$.

P.S. I cribbed this from:

http://web.mit.edu/~mcgreevy/www/fall08/handouts/lecture09.pdf

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user Carl Brannen
answered Mar 5, 2011 by (240 points)
Let's say you cited Mr. McGreevy.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user mbq
The issue is that it just isn't true that scale invariance implies conformal invariance. The simplest counterexample is some self-interacting Levy field theory.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user Ron Maimon
What are these $|d\rangle$ kets you refer to? Are they fields? And does $d$ correspond to the scaling dimension of the field? I realise this is an old thread, so I would appreciate comments from anyone.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-07-28 11:17 (UCT), posted by SE-user CAF

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